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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="assets/xml/rss.xsl" media="all"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Other Wise</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/</link><description>Commentary and processes of J C Lawrence</description><atom:link href="https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/rss.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"></atom:link><language>en</language><copyright>Contents © 2023 &lt;a href="mailto:claw@kanga.nu"&gt;J C Lawrence&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a rel="license" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ &gt;Creative Commons License&lt;/a&gt;</copyright><lastBuildDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2023 21:15:01 GMT</lastBuildDate><generator>Nikola (getnikola.com)</generator><docs>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss</docs><item><title>1828 1.0 general release</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/12/27/1828-10-general-release/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve removed the prototype watermark from the 1828 rules.  It is now
fully released.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://kanga.nu/~claw/1828/"&gt;The 1828 files can be found here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>18xx</category><category>1828</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/12/27/1828-10-general-release/</guid><pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:28:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>1839 external playtesting release</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/12/25/1839-external-playtesting-release/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;O’ tradition!  (I released 1828 for playtesting over Christmas a few
years back – might as well continue that pattern)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m now releasing the latest-ish draft of the 1839 rules and the game
itself for (somewhat limited) open playtesting.  Supported
player-counts: 2-4.  (Yep: 2)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://b17.kanga.nu/"&gt;B17&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://kanga.nu/~claw/1839/1839-Rules.pdf"&gt;Rules link&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R8rp3ce_66MMFsIY6dRUUP8s37Z1jD_ppZ5thHyOOXM/edit?usp=sharing"&gt;Spreadsheet link&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is &lt;em&gt;(somewhat limited) open playtesting&lt;/em&gt;?  Pretty simple
really:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;1839 is currently only present on &lt;a href="https://b17.kanga.nu"&gt;b17.kanga.nu&lt;/a&gt; (feel free to make an account), so
all games will be played there.  &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I must be added/party to whatever
chat/Discord/email/Hangout/Slack/etc communications venue is used for
the game.  If it is a realtime game and only voice chat is used,
please still add me and I’ll listen in as I can (recordings or
transcripts would be much appreciated – GoogleMeets are great for the
latter).&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Good venues include the &lt;a href="https://join.slack.com/t/18oggs/shared_invite/zt-edobavk0-i4bH1FoRPt600WfEPMZ5gw"&gt;HOGGS
Slack&lt;/a&gt;
or the &lt;a href="https://discord.gg/zrSmNPNQfW"&gt;18xx Friends&lt;/a&gt; Discord channel, but use whatever works for you.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Please copy me (retroactively and in summary is fine) on any
subsequent or out-of-band conversation around the game.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some caveats/guidelines:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I’m pretty happy with the design.  No rules have changed for many
games now.  That doesn’t however mean that nothing will change.&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The rules are still in flight as a document, but are and
have been locked as to design/mechanisms etc.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;However, this does not mean that there are no currently outstanding
items.  Specifically:&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I suspect that there’s (precisely) one too many trains
in the 4-player game (the problem is which rank as the
&lt;em&gt;one-too-many&lt;/em&gt; is spread across three ranks with each
individually seeming JustRight).  &lt;em&gt;(No, I don’t yet know what if
anything I’m going to do about this)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The 2-player game has had relatively little exercise
(not none, but not a lot, not the 100+ plays the 3- and 4-player game
got).  If there is a gap in 2-player, I expect it will be in exact
train-counts.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;As any rules changes or clarifications happen, they’ll be announced
on the &lt;a href="https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/50723/item/4469261#item4469261"&gt;1838 entry on the Weather
Forecast&lt;/a&gt;,
much as I similarly did for 1828 a few years ago.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;This does not include release of the PnP files for 1839.  That will
happen…probably next year.&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;As there’s been no tabletop play of the new 1839 yet,
I’m still working token design, colour palettes and other visual
elements of the tabletop presentation.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Which also means that while the artwork on B17 is
functionally correct, cosmetic changes will be coming.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;</description><category>18xx</category><category>1839</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/12/25/1839-external-playtesting-release/</guid><pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2021 22:33:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Present Arms</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/08/20/present-arms/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Guidelines, easily tested statements of principle for game
presentation design:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The only decoration is structure.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Everything is equally visible &amp;amp; informative, otherwise absent.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;No difference without distinction or distinction without difference.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Only assume competency.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve come up with such lists before, but they’ve been verbose or
numerous or not-so-easily-tested or not phrased in terms of principles
etc.  eg &lt;em&gt;No distractions, everything presented at equal weight and
visibility, no additional emphasis or suggestion anywhere, never ever
help the player but also don’t ever get in their way, etc.&lt;/em&gt; The above
seems better in accuracy, also application and testing against
choices.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>Game Observances</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/08/20/present-arms/</guid><pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2021 04:02:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Playtesting Redux</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/01/31/playtesting-redux/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;What may playtesters of my games do or not do?  Are there secrecy
rules?  Expectations that they’ll keep mum and only talk to me or my
assigns?  That they won’t talk to third parties or potential
&lt;em&gt;competition&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it is simpler than that.  The game-teach and playtesting rules are
simple: &lt;em&gt;you can take and send pictures around freely, you can talk
about the game freely – good or bad or ugly or indifferent is all
fine – but you can only do those things where I can see/participate
(tell me about it), and you can only play the game (at all) either
with me or with my approval (so I can observe and respond).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My games are all under &lt;a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/"&gt;Creative Commons
licenses&lt;/a&gt;, I keep
no secrets here, but I mind the conversation.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>Game Design</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/01/31/playtesting-redux/</guid><pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:10:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>An Own Goal</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/01/30/an-own-goal/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve a liking for games where the lack of rules is a bigger problem
than the rules that are present.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which suggests an aspect of style: complex, entangled, compromised
positions in which extrication/differentiation is frequently worse
than remaining in the (&lt;em&gt;?abusive/exploitative?&lt;/em&gt;) relationship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, that seems good.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>Game Design</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2021/01/30/an-own-goal/</guid><pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2021 04:40:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>On 1841</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2020/09/10/on-1841/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;In another forum far far away (truly), I’d written:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1841 however is all about mounting potential threats and then making
the potentials of those threats ever larger.  It isn’t about what you
have, but what you could have, and thence what you could then do.  So
the game is fought out in the future – you’re always fighting to
create or prevent something which hasn’t happened, but might.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And a player asked me to unpack and explain that a bit.  So I did (lightly edited):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather than answer your question directly, as I expect that wouldn’t
be useful, describing common basic activities in 1841 may give a
clearer understanding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First let’s start with a metaphor.  Imagine someone wanting to cross
a gorge.  So they start to build a bridge. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the beginning their bridge is anchored on their side of the gorge
and they keep adding to the end of it and stretching it out over the
gorge toward the other side.  But then they run out of materials.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So they go back to the beginning of the bridge and rip it up, carry
the materials to the end and bolt them on there to stretch out even
further across the gorge.  And pretty soon that bridge isn’t even
connected to or supported by the side of the gorge they started from,
and they’re still ripping material off one end and bolting onto the
other and working their way across the gorge.  And much like Wile E
Coyote and the Roadrunner, as long as they doesn’t look down, this
works just fine and they keep building the bridge and crossing the
gorge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that’s 1841.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In specific, the general path of a player in 1841 is that they’ll
start the game by floating one or two companies. And those companies
may invest in each other or in other players companies, but more
importantly, they can issue all their shares to the bank, raise a lot
of money, and float a new company at a very high par.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And a bit later those companies can in turn issue all their shares
to the bank, raise a lot of money and float a new company at an even
higher par.  Etc.  And so a towering pile of leverage is constructed
with none of these shell companies (generally) having a route, owning
trains or of course ever running them.  This great towering pile of
leverage exists so as to inflate a money bubble: bigger and bigger and
bigger and bigger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And all this money can work its way back down to the root company –
the company you own shares in – and be used to buy trains which run
and make money and pay nice dividends.  Or also to threaten to buy
trains.  And that threat is really important and it has multiple
sides.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1841 has a fairly typical train roster 2/3/4/5/etc…except that the
5Ts are not permanent.  Also, with this ever exploding money bubble,
people keep buying trains – so all the non-permanent trains are
really bad.  And every rank rusts the one two before – so the 5Ts
rust the 3Ts etc.  Nice and fast.  Often the trains only get to run
and pay once before they rust, not so rarely they rust before they
ever run, and they’re pretty consistently just crap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But really, all the non-permanent trains are crap, but not having
one is even worse.  Because even only running once gives you some
money to buy more shares with…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that’s okay, because that ever-inflating money bubble at some
point is going to be able to buy straight through everything and into
the permanents.  VOOM.  And the final permanents are a nice cheap
$1,440 each.  Which is of course easy to afford with your big money
bubbles and trains that sometimes maybe ran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except life isn’t that simple.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The companies that your companies have been floating etc have home
stations etc and no routes and thus no need to have a train etc and at
some point some nice friendly soul is going to build track and give
them a route and so make them have to have a train.  Right when you
don’t want to.  When your money in the wrong place.  Or the timing is
wrong.  Or just ARGHH!  Because they’re helpful like that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it still isn’t that simple.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because you can merge your companies to reduce how many liabilities
you have.  But mergers are 2:1 share trades, so every time you merge
you come out with half as many shares and it doesn’t take much before
a lot of shares turns into very few shares.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is pretty common for players to be paper-tight in the mid-game in
1841.  And for the winner to win resoundingly with only 5-7 shares, or
sometimes even fewer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because that’s all they had left after all the mergest and trades
and shares sold to buy trains and general panicing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so during the game the players build these great towering piles
of leverage, great piles that they plan to collapse just so with them
having all the trains and routes and shares they could ever want, but
they do that by kiting them out into mid-air, building their dream
castles in the sky, and then they fight, They fight not over the here
and now, but over the money bubbles that will be, over the companies
that will eventually be, over the train buys that might happen, etc.
Everything way down the road is fought in the here and now, because if
they wait until then it is way way too late.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so the artillery shells fly, arcing over the land…to
obliterate that distant hilltop and that river crossing and that etc
in two or three or five turns, so nobody stands there in that future
time…while the snipers work on headshots on the people they can see
Right Now and players steal companies from each just to make this
simple cacophony a little simpler and easier.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that is 1841.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description><category>18xx</category><category>Game Observances</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2020/09/10/on-1841/</guid><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2020 03:40:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Fear of Falling</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2020/09/10/fear-of-falling/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Imagine that you have a set of runners running a race. The race is set atop a cliff and the runners, in order to run most quickly, must run along the very edge of the cliff, leaping across small gaps and gullies, sailing across the thousand meter drops to the rocks below.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The safe runners play it safe. They plod along the edge of the cliff, safely in from the edge where it might crumble and they almost always lose. But they do run and huff and puff and say they tried to win. The winners however invariably tear along like madmen, leaping gaps beyond imagining and sometimes frankly just running on thin air, apparently on the premise that as long as they don’t look down they’ll get to the other side ever so more quickly than everyone else. And this actually seems to work, well, some of the time. And all the while they’re doing this, they’re also pushing and tripping and shoving each other, shooting each other, setting traps, breaking legs and the like.  And of course, lots of times these fast runners fall and die. But pretty much always the races are won by one of the fast runners. And then the safe runners come in a safe while later. And then the stretchers carrying the bodies peeled off the rocks come staggering and dripping in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is playing 18xx.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>18xx</category><category>Game Observances</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2020/09/10/fear-of-falling/</guid><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2020 03:11:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>18GB Chat</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/12/15/18gb_chat/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;This morning Dave Berry and I had a chat on the &lt;a href="https://join.slack.com/t/18xxgames/shared_invite/enQtMjExOTU5MzQ3MzMzLTA1MGQ0OGRkNTYwZjYzMmQwMzE1NGY1OTIxMzZkMGJlYzk0YjczYjg5ZWU0Y2ExZDBmZTBlZmY5ZDkzMGVjMTU"&gt;18xx
Slack&lt;/a&gt; #18xxdesign channel.  Possibly this was prompted by my posting quick
&lt;a href="https://boardgamegeek.com/article/30748121#30748121"&gt;notes on the
game&lt;/a&gt; (the second
point of which is wrong as noted in the chat and back on the original
posting):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Almost all the privates are overpriced compared to the same cash in
  shares. Shares are massively better. Play the auction for maximal
  income/expense ratio (because the rules require you to bid) and
  otherwise get out as cheaply and with as little as you can.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Outside of 2 &amp;amp; 3 player games there are twice as many companies as
  players. Letting someone get a third presidency is unnecessary &amp;amp;
  silly.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The train rush is brisk, not fast, but brisk &amp;amp; steady. This is a
  short and small game. There isn’t enough time or enough companies
  for 1860-style company cycling.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The red company is better than all the others by a significant
  margin.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Use your second company as a train-factory until your lead company
  is train tight, maybe longer.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Don’t forget to empty all the IPOs – leaving those shares paying to
  treasury for lead companies is suicidal in the early/mid-game.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Use the bottom of the market and the pool to time getting over 60%
  of your second company.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;As the permanents hit/approach, flip and leave your lead company
  with something modest, single-stepping up the market and run your
  train stuffed crap company quad-jumping up the market.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A token-light game: the final board has a lot of open holes after
  every token has been placed.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Token every XX. Pay attention to the brown upgrades when making the
  green upgrade. OOs are better revenue than simple cities but lose
  control late, so only token OOs for early revenue. Avoid tokening
  simple cities except for control – they’re not worth it.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can find the original log of our chat on the &lt;a href="https://join.slack.com/t/18xxgames/shared_invite/enQtMjExOTU5MzQ3MzMzLTA1MGQ0OGRkNTYwZjYzMmQwMzE1NGY1OTIxMzZkMGJlYzk0YjczYjg5ZWU0Y2ExZDBmZTBlZmY5ZDkzMGVjMTU"&gt;18xx
Slack&lt;/a&gt; #18xxdesign channel (recommended, but at some point it will age off
the history), or here follows a lightly cleaned up log of the chat.
All errors and misrepresentations are of course mine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – @DaveB Yo!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – joined #18xxdesign by invitation from jcl.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – For everyone else: @DaveB is the designer of 18GB.  Early
in my plays of the game I asked if he’d be interested/willing to have
an online chat about some aspects of the game I found curious and he’s
graciously appeared!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Better late than never (I hope)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – To give a little more context, there was a BGG thread this
morning on 18GB:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2113647/first-time-play&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – @jcl, what would you like to ask?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – So the first thing for me is the small number of companies.
In general it is 2N.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Locally this has meant that all the second round companies float at
the same time least someone never get a second, and then are never
significantly sold down least they never get it back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is there a logic/sense here?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some of his is based on our games ending very comfortably in 6SRs,
so there’s just not much time to do the necessary stock actions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I think it’s 2N+c, where c is 1 or 2.  The exception is
the two player game, where there are six companies, and the six-player
game, where there are twelve companies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – A 4 player game has 8 companies IIRC (I’m a bit away from
my copy).  3P is 7, 2P I think is 6.  I’ve not yet done 5P.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – It’s 9 companies for the 4-player game, 12 for the
5-player.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Then I’m reading something very wrong there for 4P.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;totters down the hallway to fetch his copy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Unless something got messed up in production, it should
be nine companies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I just fetched my copy…checking back page of rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are right!  Aaaargh!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, that makes a significant difference.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Phew!  I’m glad we didn’t mess up the production.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – How long have your games generally been in SRs?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I found that the “extra” companies often didn’t get
floated.  This may reflect the people who tested the game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – By default I tend toward capital heavy strategies, so all
the companies will be used in every game. eg last game of 1860 I
floated 5 companies and kept 2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – 18GB was tested by several groups but to an extent the
design reflected the biases and feedback of the testers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Of course.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – In general, I think I’ve seen 6 or 7SRs.  How many do you
   see?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – 6 with 5 threatened.  We’ve usually ended in 6.1 or 6.2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Do your games end with the top of the stock market or do
you run out of trains&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Both, slightly more often top-of-market (sample size: 5 so
a 3:2 split).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – That’s what I generally find.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – It is hard to prevent a top of market when someone piles
all the trains into a company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – One aim of the design was to explore the space around
1825/1860 as investment games, in which you don’t have to worry about
companies being dumped on you, but without the strict order of company
appearance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – nods.  Two areas I’ve long wanted to design something
within: 1) the 1825 model (including Phase IV) and 2) Price
Protection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Hence the borrowing of a couple of rule from 1860 to
limit the sale of the last train, and sales of train-less companies
yielding half price.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Of course – that rule prevents a boatload of degeneracy.
But mostly here it has made for wee timing games of putting about to
rust trains into a company so as to ensure it is train-less.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – A couple of players did suggest price protection,
particularly in response to the impact of share sales on company
conversion, but I felt the tactics around conversion can be quite
interesting (and price protection would have been an extra
complication).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I also think Price Protection marries particularly poorly
with the 1825 economic model.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In particular, it isn’t as if stock value means or is worth much for
the first 2/3rds of the game.  And the hit to capital is…piffle
trivial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – (Also, I wasn’t particularly familiar with price
protection at the time - I’ve only started playing 1870 recently).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – 1870 is a wondrous game – but the skill curve is
particularly long and deep.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In particular, I’ve seen none of the capital cycling in 18GB that
you see in 1860 (for instance) of float a company, loot it, dump it,
let it run insolvent for a while, pick it back up full of money etc as
there’s just not time to do all of that....and given the rest of the
game, this seemed....odd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mostly because there hasn’t been time…say you dump in SR3…by SR4
it is still crap....SR5 the game is about to be over!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I did want that to work, and I have made it work
sometimes, but you’re right that it does depend on the pace of the
game. The X trains can put a fair bit of cash into a company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – With a 7SR game as you say you sometimes see…yeah, I
could imagine it working, but not otherwise.  As soon as the X trains
hit here there’s a pretty basic pattern of ploughs-to-train-limit then
pay-pay-pay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – The conversion mechanism interferes with that as a
dominant strategy because conversion gives another way to add capital
to a company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I almost always convert as quickly as I can.  The capital
is nice but largely irrelevant to my approach.  I want the station
markers!  That said, I’m by no means convinced that this is a dominant
strategy.  Mostly I drive for paying-trains first,
stations-second. Which means the blue trains are pretty close to
toxic.  (Blue trains are what you buy when you have no other choice)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I know people who always convert as late as possible.  I
haven’t found either approach to be dominant (yet).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – nods.  There does seem some flexibility there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I don’t understand - trains first, stations second - but
you convert to get station markers rather than trains?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Yeah.  I can always get trains with the odd hold but
getting key station markers down requires growing up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Makes sense.  Getting the right tokens is important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – eg The last two games I’ve stitched up the midlands so that
I’ve had the only companies that could possibly run N/S.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – (Slightly less so in the published game than in earlier
versions, but still important).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Quite.  I’ve been on your Development mailing list for some
years now and worked through some earlier iterations.  The current
token count seems quite low.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(we had a few chats there over the years about odd bits)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – (Yes, I appreciated the chats.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – grins&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Some station spaces aren’t important, IMO.  The
competition for the more relevant spaces can be quite intense&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I find it is mostly simple counting.  Who gets a tile there
first?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – If you have the tokens to place, yes.  If you’re
balancing that against converting late, it’s more of an issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Seems like there’s 4-5 control token spots on the board and
then it is XX tiles.  OOs are mostly a waste except for early and
simple cities are stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nods converting late.  That’s why I convert immediately.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Do you think that extra tokens would benefit the game,
given they would be placed in less strategic positions&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Yes.  Help stitch up the board.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the things I do with any game is count the total number of
station locations if everything is fully developed, and then the total
number of markers in the game.  Ideally the second number is within a
small handful of the first.  A gap of say 2-5 is Okay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I worry that it would be a distraction, leading to more
recalculation of routes for little overall impact on the game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Depends if they fall early or late.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Analogous to some games where people chase dits to
increase their income by 10 each&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – If they fall early it makes for more track tile roster
focus/interest in working around barriers and stopping people working
around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Yeah, dit chasing is silly)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I’m also of the mind that Frustration-Is-Good in games.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Maybe I’ll experiment with adding an extra token per
company. (Or do the sums properly).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Jolly good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I agree about frustration.  In my experience, players
want it to be easy to lay the right tile, play the right station
marker, buy the right stock, keep their company afloat, etc. One of my
goals as a designer is to make those choices less straightforward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Precisely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – On the other hand, if players are tripping over a
mechanic that isn’t an essential feature of the game, then that’s a
rough edge that needs smoothing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Which makes 18GB’s two-upgrades-only-one-city track
development seem incredibly excessively rich.  Everybody
gets…everything they want very quickly modulo tokens and hills.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(One of my general wants as a designer is for companies to be still
laying key yellow track in the last ORs)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Unless another company gets there first!  Many of the
track laying rules in 18GB arise from the nature of the board, with a
dense area of cities in the middle and empty space to the north, south
and west.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Of course.  Mostly the whole board goes brown in a couple
ORs and half the companies have no track to build/develop for their
own interest for a large chunk of the game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Hence two non-city actions or one city.  Also the
restrictive upgrades and the unusual OO and XX tiles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – (My lead company has its tokens down and end-game routes
already defined half-way through blue)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – The last few ORs are basically an evaluation function
over the game state to that point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Which leaves only the tail-end-charlie track development
from blue forwards.  (I’d say sets rather than ORs)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Halfway through blue is quite impressive.  Allied to the
early conversions, of course.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – nods.  Always push.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Do you find you’re making enough income compared to
people with non-converted companies?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I lag for one SR and then blow past them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(tokens)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hang on, two hexes OR one city?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Neat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – We’ve been reading that as two hexes of which only one may
be a city.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – You’re right&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Phew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 5 games....we’ve never once built a hill.  In short the cost is too
large a fraction of the price of a train and so is Just-Not-Worth-It
as it is effectively punishing an already-loser.  You?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I’ve just finished an online game in which people crossed
at least three hills.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Late conversions can lead to spare capital, which allows people to
build round those pesky tokens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Were they worth it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems like that late capital is better spent doubling up on trains.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – In most cases, the hills seemed worth it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – aims for all of his companies to be train-tight for the
second half of the game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I don’t recall which companies had which trains. In some
cases, a player had one company build a hill that was used by another,
where the second company had two trains.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a risk if all companies aim for two trains, in that the game
may end before those trains pay back their cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – If you can get multiple trains usefully across the
connection then…maybe.  My early grow-up &amp;amp; track development tends
to preclude such being interesting to me, but that’s clearly not a
global constant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – (For onlookers, this is because the game ends when all
trains have been bought or removed).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Yeah.  Thus our games that ended in 6.1.  Mostly for us it
has meant that the gap from the 4X-&amp;gt;6X is about 1.5 ORs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I’ll happily buy trains that never run if it stops even more
opponent’s trains from ever running)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – nods&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – It is good to deny people quad-jumps for shares you don’t
hold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You think the privates are worth buying?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – You mentioned on BGG that the privates are over-valued.
That’s an area I struggled to get right and its probably the area I’m
least happy with the design as it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I’ll buy the Liverpool.....and maybe the Edinborough thing
if I have scrap money and it isn’t an edge on a share…  But more
generally if I could get out buying no privates I would in every game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Edinburgh? Do you mean the AF with the Perth tile lay?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Yeah, that one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – The Leicester tile lay is quite strong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – It is for red, but it also requires a token, and that’s a
stupid token.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – And the station markers can be good too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – But it is the only other one I’d think about&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – The LNWR can build through Leicester too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – York?  So very easy to wall off – and it isn’t even an
EXTRA marker, just reserved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nods LNWR.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which brings up red (Midlands?) as being significantly stronger than
black (LNWR) or light green (NER).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – If I had another round of tweaks to the design, I’d look
at making the privates more powerful, both in ability and possibly
also by making the closure payment multiplied by the phase (e.g. 1x
for yellow/green, 2x for blue/brown, 3x for gray, or something like
that).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Neat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I’ve never found the Midland (red) to be significantly
stronger than other companies.  The NER can be a bit weak, I agree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – NER runs a lot of short trains quickly and easily and has
some good control token opportunities…but then suffers badly.
LNWR…just desperately needs someone to build track for it.
Something…some edge.  MR is in the middle of a forest of XX that it
can get and token before anyone else, defining both revenue and shape
and the mid-board.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and if they are not XX they’re OOs that also pay more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus…Liverpool.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I think the LNWR can reach Manchester before the
   MR. Also, what about the LYR?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Which starts in Leeds, one of the XX cities).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – LYR has been second tranche in all our games…but even
worse, is short a token.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it had the token…I’d agree that it is stronger than MR.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – The reason I introduced the tranche system was because
people were forming rigid openings.  Varying the range of companies
available to open made the game less predictable / less subject to
groupthink.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – nods.  I’ve no problems with the tranches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I’m guessing you haven’t tried opening two companies in
SR1, as you had only N companies in the first tranche instead of N+1?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I think I did once, worked out Okay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – (This might not be possible with all player counts, as
you start with less cash)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK, good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Yeah, certainly not at 4P which has been most of our games.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I wanted it to be a viable option without being dominant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – It currently seems weak but not always Bad, but I also
haven’t looked at it hard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Only time I did a 2-company start was in a 2P game – think?  Tough
to remember now.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – OK&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Gnahh…the games start to drift together and blur.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BtB I do like the add-legs-and-no-revenue pattern.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s been a lot of slag thrown at the N/S bonus as irrelevant BtB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve suspected that it may be the difference in getting multi-jumps
for tighter games, but it hasn’t been here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – Originally, the income for simple cities was always 20
regardless of phase.  But people kept tripping over this, so I changed
it to the more familiar pattern (albeit 10/20/30 instead of 20/30/40).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The N/S bonus makes the off-board hexes worthwhile compared to
stopping at Glasgow or Edinburgh or Dundee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d prefer it to be +30 instead of +20 but didn’t make that change
in time for production.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Ahh, I jerk that sort of thing around here for my designs,
so people are used to having to pay attention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I need to sign off tonight.  Thanks for the conversation!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – nods off-board.  I’ve certainly wrangled or poisoned track
to make getting to the off-board better/worse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;waves.  It has been great to chat to you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would you mind if I posted a log of this?  (With cleaned up typoes
etc)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – On BGG?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I hadn’t actually thought about it, but uhh, sure?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – I mean, where do you want to post it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – I’ve not actually thought that through.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Left by itself this chat will slowly roll off the history.  Seems like
there’s ~value in making a log more accessible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, let’s say BGG.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – OK.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;DaveB&lt;/em&gt; – No problem.  Bye for now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;jcl&lt;/em&gt; – waves.  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description><category>18GB</category><category>18xx</category><category>Game Design</category><category>Game Observances</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/12/15/18gb_chat/</guid><pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 03:36:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Dust may Happen</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/03/21/dust_may_happen/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Muddling about, cleaning things up a bit and getting a few more bits
and other bobs standardised.  Fixing old broken image links, having
another whack at the CSS width issue, re-tagging artcles more
approriately (eg the new &lt;a href="https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/categories/18xx/"&gt;18xx tag&lt;/a&gt;), etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>Site</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/03/21/dust_may_happen/</guid><pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 07:06:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title>Nervous Impulses</title><link>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/03/20/nervous_impulses/</link><dc:creator>J C Lawrence</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;An off-the-cuff list of online resources &amp;amp; methods for playing the
18xx:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://board18.org/"&gt;Board18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://cyberboard.brainiac.com/"&gt;CyberBoard&lt;/a&gt; (many fan-made kits, a file-sharing system to move the save-files between players, and with a spreadsheet for the numerics)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.fwtwr.com/fwtwr/"&gt;FWTWR&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/18xx/ps18xx"&gt;ps18xx&lt;/a&gt; (file-copying with a spreadsheet – link is to a version of Stephe Thomas’ rather improved version of Matthias Klose’ original)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://rails.sourceforge.net/"&gt;Rails&lt;/a&gt; (file-copying the save-file)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rr18xx.com/"&gt;rr18xx&lt;/a&gt; (requires a login code that can be found in the &lt;a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/18xx/info"&gt;18xx mailing list archives&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Stephe Thomas’ email-based &lt;em&gt;“Mais n’est-ce pas la gare”&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.vassalengine.org/"&gt;VASSAL&lt;/a&gt; (many fan-made kits and with file-copying etc)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I use ps18xx heavily and don’t use any of the others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve also setup games under a webcam and played via a Google Hangout, which worked fairly well.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>18xx</category><guid>https://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/posts/2018/03/20/nervous_impulses/</guid><pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 03:49:17 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>